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On Being with Krista Tippett

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Is Your Pain a Liability?

"There's no such thing as casual when you're in a room with people who are you have chronically dramatic situations," she says. "It feels sort of like you're asked to build a tiny home on the side of a cliff." Her daughter, nuseba, just turned five and is a stage four cancer survivor. 'You worry that your pain is a liability'

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