Claire Hughes Johnson (Google, Stripe) discusses her new book Scaling People: Tactics for Management and Company Building. Claire talks about why she thinks vulnerability is so powerful, the pitfalls of transparency in leadership, how to build systems by building trust, and the difference between management and leadership.
  
 LINKS & MENTIONS FROM THIS EPISODE
 “Scaling People” by Claire Hughes Johnson https://press.stripe.com/scaling-people 
 Read “The Messy Marketplace” by Brent Beshore  https://www.amazon.com/Messy-Marketplace-Selling-Business-Imperfect/dp/0998030007/ref=sr_1_1?crid=188DH4FFMN8IX&keywords=messy+marketplace&qid=1682524629&sprefix=messy+mark%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-1
 Listen to “The Messy Marketplace” (episode 1 of the Permanent Podcast feed)   https://www.permanentequity.com/themessymarketplacepodcast/introduction-a-note-from-the-author 
 Claire mentions “Bury My Heart at Conference Room B” by Stan Slap  https://www.amazon.com/Bury-Heart-Conference-Room-Unbeatable/dp/1591843243/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1682524772&sr=8-1 
 David mentions “Raising Emotionally Strong Boys” by David Thomas  https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Emotionally-Strong-David-Thomas/dp/0764240714/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1682524959&sr=8-1 
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 CONNECT
 Claire on twitter https://twitter.com/chughesjohnson
 Claire on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/claire-hughes-johnson-7058/
 Brent on twitter  https:/https://twitter.com/BrentBeshore
 Brent on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/brentbeshore 
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 TIMESTAMPS
 0:00 Intro & Who Is Claire?
 2:08 “This One Scales to 11”
 4:08 Why Write “Scaling People?”
 13:08 One of Claire’s Most Pivotal Moments as a Manager
 22:12 Transparency: Virtue or Vice?
 28:22 The Challenges of Managing PEOPLE
 36:38 The Power of Being Vulnerable
 46:42 Why Dachshunds Are the Funniest Dogs
 51:26 How Have Your Motivations Changed Over Time?
 55:36 The Difference Between a Strong Manager and a True Leader
 57:55 Why a Business Stays Small
 1:06:35 How to Build Kindness Into Company Culture
 1:10:45 Who Would You Send This Podcast To?
 1:11:52 Legal Disclaimer
  
 EPISODE CREDITS
 Produced by David Cover
 Additional editing & mastering by Ryan Lipman
 Intro music by David Cover, Andy Freeman, Rhett Johnson, & Andrew Luley
 Outro music by Jees Guy
  
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