i think the facets you named are all entirely true, and i'm going to make you talk about some other facets. I just want to kind of mark some distinctions and some complexities. If we're talking narrowly and strictly about what is ok morally, this is a judgment call entirely. What is ok for an adult kid to do, an adult child to do, based on what the parents did when during their childhood? Is it ok on your nineteenth birthday to say, you know, i never want to talk to you again because of x, yanc or something like that? Another complication i want to add is the ways in which how parents have in families is the result of a vast network

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