When i first started the podcast 11 years ago, i i didn't really know anyone else in the space. What really changed for me was getting together with other people who were kind of at the same level I was. And that's a en huge and the fun thing is, we've all kind of grown, and we've all grown at different different ways. But then it was like, ok, we were all facing kind of the same things at the same time,. It was like, oh, you know, i can hold my own with this group. Like, i am learning things from them, they're learning things from me.

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