It's a partner. Yeah. It's a therapist that's there with her, yeah. So, what a sex therapist would probably recommend is a process of graded exposure, where she very gradually increases the presence of her partner in the room with her. So, the therapist would probably have her maybe make index cards on a scale of zero to ten. So, ten is definitely going to be living breathing human in the room with me, for sure. Zero is going to be other human being isn't even in my home. Doors locked, no chance of being interrupted. That's a zero, no chance of my brakes being hit by this particular stimulus. And then graded between zero and ten are going to be things like having a photograph of my partner visible while I'm masturbating in the way that I masturbate. It would probably make sense given that she's not likely to be interested in masturbating with porn with her partner to practice these exercises without porn. So, step one, let's say it's a photograph of her partner. So, the eyeballs are there to be seen, but there's no physical human in the room. Okay, so we're going full 1945 Sears catalog style masturbating to a picture. I would never have thought of that. And then maybe they decide that around like a six, once she's able to orgasm at level one, level two, level three, maybe somewhere in the middle is going to be masturbating with him on the other side of the door, knowing that he's there and could potentially hear what's happening. So, that's definitely an increase in exposure, right? Eventually, you get to a point where not only is the partner present, but they also could potentially be hearing what's going on. And then maybe you get to masturbating to orgasm without porn with your partner in the room, but completely in the dark. I love that. You can't see the person. This is a very intense challenge, right? Because this means that the living, breathing human is in the room. You can't see them, but you know for sure they're there. And what's happening is you're gradually building up your breaks comfort with the presence of another person. So, you are training your breaks not to interpret the presence of your partner as something that it needs to respond to. Right now, Ell's breaks treat her partner as like slam on the breaks emergency stop. What will happen gradually is that it responds less and less to that stimulus until eventually her partner can be present and her breaks don't even notice. Okay, so that's the science of what's happening, but like why are those breaks even coming on at all? Culturally, personally, especially with someone that you really love and trust. How did that happen? The answer is the patriarchy. So many people, especially those of us who are raised as girls, are taught to shift all of our attention to the other person's wants and needs when that other person is present. Even if you know how to orgasm independently, once that other person shows up, you just block off everything about your own pleasure because you're too busy worrying about their wants and needs, making sure their expectations are met. You're worrying that you're taking too long. You're wondering if they're bored. You're wondering you're feeling self critical, like you should have been able to come by now. And that self criticism is just more stuff hitting the breaks. So you're gradually training your brain not to activate all that ancient stuff that you absorbed about gender roles at some early part in your life. Does that make sense? Mm hmm. That makes a lot of sense. I'm telling you, the patriarchy interferes with our orgasms. If we want to have great orgasms, if our partners want us to have great orgasms, we all got to collaborate to dismantle the patriarchy because it is super messing with our organization. We really need to get that written into the feminist agenda. Can you talk a little bit more about what else like culturally, socially or culturally, could be hitting the breaks? Is that even possible? I'm just going to say body image. Body image mic drop. So there's a lot of cultural stuff that could be hitting anyone's breaks. Oh yeah. So many other kinds of things. She said she was raised Catholic, which I think a lot of people who are raised Catholic have told me that they were taught to feel ashamed even of the fact that they were experiencing curiosity about sex. Never mind sexual pleasure, arousal, orgasm for someone to see you. It's like getting caught.