Intro

In this exclusive conversation, Arthur Hayes, co-founder of BitMEX, and Allan Marshall, CEO of Upexi, break down the rise and fall of Bitcoin treasury companies, why only a few will survive, and how fiat liquidity — not halving cycles — truly drives Bitcoin’s future. They reveal how government money printing, the debasement trade, and passive inflows could push Bitcoin toward $1 million, while mismanaged treasuries implode under leverage. A must-watch for anyone who wants to understand the real macro forces shaping crypto’s next supercycle.