A sematian, are you pessimistic or optimistic about this debate about citizenship and nationalism? Well, i'm incredibly optimistic about the fact we were able to havea polite disagreements in a liberal democracy here this evening. I'm pessimistic, along with elif i so indorse her point about being too complaisant about moderate nationalism, staying moderate. If that's where moderate nationalism takes us, its time to fight back for senc of openness. Two things really happened just in the last two weeks which were extraordinary to me: Jean marie lepens memoir has become the best sellar in france. And the right wing coalition in italy is devoted to resurrecting the memory of