What Is the Nature of the Puton Regime?

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In the postwal worto period, which you've described brilliantly in one of your books, they wanted to erect a communist regime. The point was that it would be subservient to moscow and bokramlin, but part of the point was a set of ideological goals for what vere societies would look like internally. There is an argument being made at russia is quickly turning into a kind of totilitarian society without a very strong ideology. It does not have e strength of ideology, but something like eferd riad. And it does not have the kind of strength of ideology that e sobitude had.

Anne Applebaum is a staff writer for The Atlantic and a Senior Fellow of the Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. In her books - most notably Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine and Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe she has chronicled the terrible human costs of past attempts by Russia to dominate countries in Central and Eastern Europe.

In this week’s conversation, Anne Applebaum and Yascha Mounk discuss the developing ideology of "Putinism," what it would look like for Ukraine to win the war, and how democracies can defend their values in a world of resurgent authoritarianism.

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