The Good Fight

Anne Applebaum on How to Fight Back Against Dictators like Putin

Mar 26, 2022

Anne Applebaum, a prominent staff writer for The Atlantic and expert on authoritarianism, joins Yascha Mounk for a captivating discussion. They delve into the ideology of 'Putinism' and explore what a Ukrainian victory could entail. Applebaum examines the complexities of modern dictatorships, exposing the facade of totalitarianism and the impact of propaganda in Russia. The conversation highlights strategies for combating authoritarianism, emphasizing the importance of strong democratic alliances and addressing issues like kleptocracy. It's an insightful look at resilience amidst oppression.

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Episode guests

Anne Applebaum

Highlights

AI Chapters

Episode notes

I Don't Care About Politics

01:16

Intro

6min

Resilience and Corruption: The Ukraine Conflict Explained

18min

Exploring the Dynamics of Modern Dictatorships

6min

The Facade of Totalitarianism and Propaganda in Russia

2min

Putin's Decision-Making and the Ukraine Conflict

14min

Strategies for Combating Authoritarianism and Kleptocracy

5min

Anne Applebaum is a staff writer for The Atlantic and a Senior Fellow of the Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. In her books - most notably Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine and Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe she has chronicled the terrible human costs of past attempts by Russia to dominate countries in Central and Eastern Europe.

In this week’s conversation, Anne Applebaum and Yascha Mounk discuss the developing ideology of "Putinism," what it would look like for Ukraine to win the war, and how democracies can defend their values in a world of resurgent authoritarianism.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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