Michael: I see so many young founders basically saying, like, before I start a startup, I need to work in a big company. Do you think Google's going to help? Or how do you think it helps and how do you Think it hurts? He says the early stages of startups are not helpful if they don't learn about scalability. Michael: How do we help founders prepare their minds for this zone? And we're telling you it's going to suck. We're telling you to do things that people will make fun of you.