What Is This Conversation For?

A lot of politics is supposed to be like, here's a problem in society and we have two different approaches or maybe we have to 100 different approaches to it. And the end goal of this conversation is that my solution, we use the solution that we've decided is the right one. We've made it instead of reaching out and coming to any kind of collaboration at all. The idea that you didn't have to win is a huge part of it, but also the idea that if you did win, you don't win.