IL44: From AI Hype to Transformative AGI ft. Aubrie Pagano
Top Traders Unplugged
Agent marketplaces and vetting systems
Aubrie describes early marketplaces that pit agents against each other to build trust and surface signal.
In this Ideas Lab episode, Kevin Coldiron speaks with venture capitalist and former founder Aubrie Pagano about what stands between today’s AI hype and a truly transformative AGI economy. Rather than treating AI as destiny, Aubrie maps the frictions that hold it back: hard power limits, fragile industrial data, and agents that still cannot coordinate with humans or each other. She explains why we may be a full capital cycle or two away from real AGI and why that delay is precisely where the best opportunities lie. The conversation then widens into the “Aquarius Economy,” a possible future in which human agency, not algorithms, becomes the scarcest and most valuable asset.
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Episode TimeStamps:
00:00 - Why agent coordination is still clunky and unreliable
00:38 - Intro to Top Traders Unplugged and performance risk framing
01:34 - Kevin sets up the Ideas Lab and today’s focus on AGI
02:59 - Aubrie’s background as founder, researcher and VC shaping her lens
06:04 - Why she wrote about AGI and the Aquarius Economy
07:21 - AGI as the last cycle built on labor scarcity
10:41 - The blockers framework and why AGI may be a cycle or two away
12:58 - Blocker 1: energy constraints and the race for firm power
15:17 - Where investment opportunities emerge in power and grid resilience
17:43 - Blocker 2: foundational industry data gaps and Moravec’s paradox
22:00 - Skilled trades as a bottleneck and a long term opportunity
24:34 - Blocker 3: agent to human coordination and walled gardens
29:04 - Early agent marketplaces and trust mechanisms
34:41 - The Aquarius Economy as a framework for future societal structure
42:09 - Outlier groups, human agency and implications for investors
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