It's not possible to get away from fossil fuels entirely, but we'll never get away from them entirely. The challenge is that we need to greatly reduce our particularly burning of fossil fuels. I always think of the old Shaw of Iran who used to say that petroleum was too valuable to burn as a fuel. And he meant by that was that it's so valuable for other things. Well, we conflate the difference between price, cost and value. We have to be aware of what sustains our way of life. And most fundamentally, that's energy.

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