Death is often viewed as something dark and muted, but after the death of her beloved sister, author Clover Stroud began to see the world in vivid colour. In this chat Fearne and Clover explore how death can teach us that it’s the tiny moments in life that truly matter; it’s the in jokes and funny glances that we remember about people. That realisation should be liberating for us in the here and now: we can slow down, stop seeking grand success, and focus on the little things.

They also talk about their take on signs after someone’s died. Can they be mentally and emotionally helpful even if some part of us knows they’re not real?

Clover’s book is as much about life as it is death - The Red of My Blood is out now.

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