Surprises and social‑media backlash to the paper

Throughout December and January, we’re going to be re-airing some of our favorite episodes of the past year and beyond. This list includes interviews that really stuck with me and some others that you guys had tons of feedback and thoughts on … including this one!

“What Experts Really Think About Smartphones and Mental Health” originally aired June 4th, 2025.

If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at PlainEnglish@Spotify.com.

Host: Derek Thompson
Guest: Jay Van Bavel
Producer: Devon Baroldi

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