This week on the Brave Co Podcast, I’m joined by one of my dearest friends, Ben Armstrong to dive deep into what it really means to own your mess. Ben was deep in full-time ministry when he disconnected from his wife, and in that void, made one of the gravest mistakes of his life. He walked away with an affair that could have destroyed everything—his marriage, his kids, his ministry, and his identity.
But in admitting the truth and choosing to live in the light, Ben began the toughest journey of his life. Together, they navigated confrontation, shame, weekly counseling, rebuilding trust with their kids, and transparency with their community. Ben’s radical ownership—not excuses—became the foundation for a transformed marriage, and a renewed sense of masculinity grounded in strength, accountability, and faith.
In this episode, we unpack how to own your mess, when to bring others into the healing process, how to navigate the shame cycle, and how real healing happens one consistent step at a time. Whether you’re looking for preventative tools or healing after a betrayal, this is your guide. Press play and lean in—it’s time to become the man your family deserves.
Chapters:
00:00 - Introducing the Brave Co marriage series with Ben & Heather
01:06 - Ben shares the messy truth behind disconnection
04:06 - How a hidden emotional affair turned physical
05:00 - The moment of conviction: living in the light vs. darkness
06:14 - Heather’s reaction: ring thrown, love still present
08:00 - Facing the aftermath: “I thought this was it”
11:11 - The pivotal request: “Give it three months”
14:04 - a son’s devastation: “I feel like I don’t have a dad”
18:09 - Owning the mess with church leadership
24:06 - The long haul: building trust through discipline
30:06 - Breaking shame: owning your story without guilt
35:06 - The healing tool: validating pain without defensiveness
42:03 - Olympic-level communication: practicing curiosity
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