Introduction

i love chatting to you about marketings. Ar geffly disrupted in people's thoughts in tink an, everybody's talking about you. How did you get started and how did you grow refined labs to art is to day? Quick background, i studied engineering in college. I think it gives me a huge advantage as a marketer because i see how parts of a system impact others that i think most people don't look for and don't notice. The next five years of my career were really focusd on product marketing, product management,. figuring out ho to position products, building brands., running pro road maps  to figure out what products we're going to build in the future.