I wonder how much of us being cut off from our bodies is connected to sort of a puritanical like the body is dirty. Ro always notices that American culture is much more puritanical than Australian culture. So there's a strong similarity, but I really want to ask you, like the Puritans really were like super repressed about their bodies, super depressed. Whereas not everyone who went to Australia maybe was quite,. Is it the same? No, I don't know. But what is interesting to me thinking about this is that you can actually almost close the circle on the conversation coming back to the brain.

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