I think people really hold themselves back from being earnest in friendship. And then when you find someone who actually has the space to deepen friendships, get excited about that person. It's just a whole long process of, i keep going to this party every month, start to become friends with the hosts,. Just explicitly say, i would like to hang out with you. The second one is we really opractise positivity, the reward and enjoyment of each otherow. We did a episode recently where jinny interviewed chris and i. And chrisas the editor of the show, and him and i have been friends for 25, 28, 30, i don't know,

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