
577. Human Rights Lawyer: Socialism, Marx & the Death Penalty
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Multiculturalism, Integration, and Shared Identity
Andrew and Clive debate multicultural policies, assimilation examples, and strategies to help migrants feel both British and diverse.
Human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith joins me for one of the best debates we’ve ever had on Heretics. This is a clash of ideologies on some of the most divisive issues today.
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We go head-to-head on:
- Islam and culture in the West
- Socialism, communism, and the idea of utopia
- Privilege and identity politics
- The death penalty, crime, and justice
- Even the shocking reality of witnessing an execution in the electric chair
Clive and I disagree on almost everything — but that’s exactly why this conversation matters. If you’ve ever wondered how the “other side” thinks about prisons, privilege, or politics, this is the episode to watch.
👉 Let me know in the comments how you would have argued in my place. What would you have said?
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Chapters:
0:00 Clive Stafford-Smith Highlights
2:25 Death Row & Losing A Client
5:25 Joan of Arc - What She Actually Did
8:25 The Reason They Use An Electric Chair!
9:40 Head Caught Fire, Lights Dimmed
11:25 Clive Doesn’t Believe In Prisons!
14:25 P-Philes: What To Do With Them
16:55 Liz Truss vs Keir Starmer
18:45 Clive Was Beaten & Waterboarded At School
21:25 Socialism Debate & Karl Marx
24:55 Utopia
27:25 No True Scotsman - Communist
31:25 The Problem With Be Kind
33:25 Clive Feels He Failed His Father
35:25 The Case of the P-Phile Born That Way
38:25 Those Who Have Offended Should Go To Prison
40:55 Sex Offenders Have to Self-Report
42:55 Coalinga Psychiatric Hospital
45:25 What Trump Said About Charlie Kirk
47:25 What Would Your Last Meal Be?
50:10 Will Charlie Kirk’s Assassin Get Death?
51:25 Convincing an American Jury
56:25 The Dangerous Dopamine Rush
58:25 Clive Representing Muslims Who Try To Convert
1:01:25 What To Do With Religious Extremism
1:05:25 Anti-Semitic Islamists
1:07:25 Hamas vs Netanyahu
1:08:55 The Ultimate Hypocrisy
1:11:15 Jokes About Other People’s Cultures
1:14:10 Letterboxes
1:16:25 White Privilege Debate
1:18:25 Michael Moore
1:21:25 Why We Need Nationalism
1:25:55 A Heretic Clive Admires
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