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Marianne Hise: Problems are messy. We put the boundaries round them. And as soon as you've put the boundaries around them, you've set limitations on what the solutions might be. There was a quote in your book that really grabbed me, and it was from a psychologist who said, the problem is not the problem. The problem is how we think about the problem. What i'll give you, you know, an example that we're saying quite a bit now, and is the question of hybrid work. It's both and right? Hybrid is whatt is both end.