For this live taping of the literary podcast Between the Covers—recorded at Jewish Currents’s daylong event on September 15th and presented in partnership with On the Nose—host David Naimon convened a conversation with renowned writers Dionne Brand and Adania Shibli about contesting colonial narratives. Rooted in their long-standing literary practice and in the demands of this moment of genocide, they discuss the vexed meanings of home, how to recover the everydayness of life erased by empire, and what it means to imagine togetherness beyond the nation-state.

This episode was produced by David Naimon, with music by Alicia Jo Rabins. Thanks also to Jesse Brenneman for additional editing and to Nathan Salsburg for the use of his song “VIII (All That Were Calculated Have Passed).

Texts Mentioned and Additional Resources:

Minor Detail by Adania Shibli

A Map to the Door of No Return: Notes to Belonging by Dionne Brand

Civil Service by Claire Schwartz

The Blue Clerk by Dionne Brand

Adania Shibli in conversation with Hisham Matar at the 2024 Hay Festival

Adania Shibli in conversation with Madeleine Thien and Layli Long Soldier at the Barnard Center for Research on Women

“Writing Against Tyranny and Toward Liberation,” Dionne Brand

“Dionne Brand: Nomenclature — New and Collected Poems,” Between the Covers

“Adania Shibli: Minor Detail,” Between the Covers

“prologue for now - Gaza,” Dionne Brand, Jewish Currents

“Duty,” Daniel Mendelsohn, New York Review of Books

“A Lesson in Arabic Grammar by Toni Morrison,” Adania Shibli, Jewish Currents

Inventory by Dionne Brand

Recognizing the Stranger: On Palestine and Narrative by Isabella Hammad

“Isabella Hammad: Recognizing the Stranger: On Palestine and Narrative,” Between the Covers

Freud and the Non-European by Edward Said

“The Horseman and the Lake of Constance,” Gustav Schwab