i think as weu'd get older, evn in some degree of health. And igly like ceese, you know, there's a desire to occasionally be likeit. i have a lot of empathy, again, for people who have struggled for a long time. The other thing i'm trying to do ad i'm really not good at it, but a friend of mine, hilary mac bride, does beautiful writing and work. She works on kind of the wisdom of the body.

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