Navigating Change with Rugged Flexibility

In today’s episode, William Green chats with Brad Stulberg about how to thrive amid change. Brad is the best-selling author of Master of Change: How to Excel When Everything is Changing—Including You & The Practice of Groundedness: A Transformative Path to Success that Feeds—Not Crushes—Your Soul. Here, he shares practical tools & strategies based on scientific research, battled-tested wisdom, & his work as a high-performance coach to business leaders & elite athletes.

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00 - Intro

04:55 - How Brad Stulberg became an expert on adapting to change. 

14:04 - Why Howard Marks & Bill Miller are obsessed with impermanence.

18:35 - How “rugged flexibility” can help you navigate a fast-changing world.

35:20 - Why it’s so valuable to have a “fluid sense of self.” 

43:38 - Why Viktor Frankl recommended a mindset of “tragic optimism.” 

52:10 - How routines & rituals provide stability & order amid change & disorder.

52:10 - Why getting exercise & building community is mission critical.

52:10 - Why Brad is skeptical of optimizers like Peter Attia & Andrew Huberman.

58:47 - How peak performers succeed by “nailing the fundamentals.”

01:10:45 - How Brad’s “4 Ps” technique protects against reactive decision-making. 

01:16:18 - What a battle against depression taught him about handling adversity.

01:20:19 - What qualities he models so that his kids can learn to be resilient.

Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.

BOOKS AND RESOURCES

• William Green’s book, “Richer, Wiser, Happier” – read the reviews.
• Brad Stulberg’s website. 
• Brad Stulberg’s podcast.
• Brad Stulberg's books: Master of Change & The Practice of Groundedness.
• Brad Stulberg & Steve Magness's Peak Performance.
• William Green’s podcast on “Optimal Performance” with Daniel Goleman. 
• William Green’s podcast on “Wealth & Health” with Jason Karp.
• William Green’s book, “Richer, Wiser, Happier” – read the reviews of this book.
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