Karen: We did a little bit with your TEDx talk. And as you shared about the Harvard study, I pressed pause on the video. And I had people pull out their phones and go to a poll everywhere question and predict what they thought that the results were going to be. 100% of them got the answer wrong. Karen: It created a bond for us where we can be wrong together. That's how much more can you then be right if you're willing to be wrong? The fact that all of them predicted incorrectly, I think it just created a really nice, a really nice bond for us  that created some trust in some unexpected ways.