I got a lot of criticism in 2007 to 2015, but I'm still here. The way that the world works, or at least the modern world, is that I'm now going to get criticism because I'm having you on my show by the transitive property. Even if people don't listen to this conversation, the fact that Roger Pilkey is on the great simplification, what is Nate thinking? Doesn't he understand that climate is existential and a huge risk? Yes, I do, but I want to understand what the thinking and the modeling and the conversation that led to our current public debate and understanding of it are. So I'm speculating that that'll be the case.

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