That's not a coincidence. If you want to argue that that's a coincidence, I'll ask pretty hectic. It's not

because I know that Boyle used to hang out with them and they used to read all the Russian textbooks together. You know what I mean? And that was the beauty of that school is it's like, hey, this is the only place to go. If you want to be like a freak of intelligence as it pertains to exercise, this is the school, you know what I mean? And, and it was like that when I was a professor there as well, where I think about some of the students that were there and like, they're in the same place, the same building there. And oftentimes that's how it works. And I feel like that's what's being lost nowadays too, is like hanging out with your buddy that loves this shit just as much as you. And just sort of like, you know, kind of dealing with each other, you know, like, hey, what, what's, I can remember when I was early in my career just being obsessed with, you know, periodization models and concurrent versus conjugate and like losing fucking sleep at night being like, I'm trying to figure out this conjugate model thing. And I read this bell safe and like, there was nobody to talk to, you know, I didn't have another person, I didn't have an RD that was like, hey, man, I read this thing. What does this fucking mean? Because I know you read this three years ago and you probably figured it out by now. You know, I was trying to scour anywhere I could, but you know, nowadays, instead of that being the case, it's much more that we're just like, hey, this is how big my fucking dick is, how big is yours? Oh shit, yours is a fucking millimeter bigger than mine. Fuck now I have to like go kill myself or something like that. But it's horrible comparison like threat world of social media rather because, and I feel like the face to face in the actual conversation gets lost with some of that stuff. Because it's like, I have to roll out my content today and see how many fucking likes it gets. And I hear that to like, oh, this fucking asshole over here doesn't know half the shit I do got fucking, you know, 20% more likes than this bullshit world fucked up. Fuck that guy like.

But I love but like, I'm so grateful that I hosted a podcast. I get to come on podcast like this and have these crazy like conversations like this is so exciting for me. And it also allows me to not feel so bad about engaging in that sort of behavior myself on social media. And like, some people say like Angus, you're just the way you behave and communicate so out of line. But I'm like, you can go listen to these podcasts. Like I know how to behave with people I like and like, have nice chats and bounce ideas back and forth. It's just sort of, I don't want to do that on Instagram. I don't think that we're out of this me talking in this tone. I think that's going to get me racks on Instagram. I got to go there. Shit, fuck this is fucked. How can you do this? Like, you need to get people emote and that's why I don't like this cool objectivity. I'm like, there is nothing objective about any of this. It's all so highly emotionally driven. I'm like, can we embrace a little bit of that? Hmm.

A very good point, man. Yeah. And like, they're probably, yeah, the context of time and place. Like, this is the time and place to just sort of shoot the shit. The other one is kind of the time and place to talk to shit and get everybody. Like, you know, when you

I've seen you do posts where you just you've made a real witty statement. It's maybe a little shot at someone. And then someone will literally paraphrase a comment. And it's sometimes it's not even disagreeing that much. Be like, Oh man, I don't know if this is the time or place for that. Even when do when people link PMI days in comments and people like, you didn't post any PMI days with the things you said, I'm like, dude, this is actually fucking social media. And I'm like, and people are such a problem in the fitness industry. I'm like, what do you mean? So Instagram fitness is literally PubMed. Like, that

ain't it either.

It's so crazy, man. So what

do you, what do you think is next for you? Kind of like going forward.

Um, so I had a good think about that this year, because for so many years, I was just fighting for survival as a personal trainer. And I finally got my face to face business in a stable position. And then COVID just completely destabilized me. And then I have a single face to face business coming out the back end of COVID. But then I have this online thing. So I just, I was like, I actually need to think about like what I actually want to do. Because like I said, when you're just trying to survive, you don't have that thing about what could I do? I'd serve myself limiting beliefs, but I want to move back to my hometown in Wollongong. It's a great sporting town. And there's no S and C facility when when your kids growing up and he's showing some potential at 40. I want it to be like, hey, why isn't your kid at anchors is Jim? I want to just have that private sector facility. I want to be the Erika Cressy of Wollongong. And, and I, what like, because as well, like, I don't want to give up on the content thing because I love making content. But what I've realized is that having a space, because I just work in a crossfit box and so amazing. They even let me in the building. But like, when I want to shoot a video, they're just trying to do a class ban. And it's chaos. Whereas if I had a space that I was in control of and I could make content to spread out with the world, but then like impact athletes in a real face to face way on a local level and like, and create a marketing Wollongong that I don't believe exists yet. That's sort of the plan for the next sort of few years. And there's a lot to to pull that off. It's kind of funny. Yeah, a

lot of, and I can relate, man, I think I would personally really like to train like high school-aged athletes. It's

the best. It's the fucking best.

Everyone I've talked to. Yeah, you know, every pro-stranting conditioning coach I talked to, like, what do you want to do when you're done with all this? And they're like, I kind of want to go back and like work with kids more. And I'm like, I totally get it. You know, and we all say that until you have to fucking deal with them. And then you're like,

Oh, do hectic shit with them? Like that corolla, it's like a corolla that's indestructible. And it doesn't behave predictably, but you can still get it to do some pretty cool shit. And you can have an impact. This idea like, where can we throw athletes? It's like, it's not, they don't give a fuck. They can go to someone else and get it. They don't need you. Neither does the high school kid, but you can do something for him.

And yeah, you're going to deal with the majority of them that are just like such little dicks, you know what I mean? Because there's no bigger dick than like a fucking 15 year old dick. Like they're the worst absolute worst, or you're just like this fucking kid. Oh God. But at the same time, like there's so much life in that population. And if you can make a difference, you see the impact and the trajectory that takes off. And it's the coolest thing in the world. It just takes time. It's like people are so impatient. It's like, what do you want? You want day one to be the fucking day where you make this like, you know, movie montage and change this person's life. Give it some fucking time. It takes time for them to build trust with you, rapport, like to appreciate what you're doing. They're fucking scared when they come in and they try to play it off like they're cooler than, you know, than they actually are. No, like allow it to build and once it catches, it's, you know, it's a fire. And

that I this concept of like manipulating the environment, like whether it's constraining an exercise, but then like, because that's what I've had to be master of an environment, like to get someone to move in a certain way without me saying it. But then like doing that at a facility level, like just playing this game of like, you know, that game dust where it's just like an online game on a webpage, you put various chemicals into a box and just see how they interact, but you can't be inside the box. You can just spray shit into it. Like that's that I'm like, oh, to just like view it as this like environmental experiment, be like, how can I not directly interact with these kids, but then get them to behave the way I want and need them to like, I reckon that that is just a challenge that could entertain me until I roll over

and die. I love that. I don't know that game. That sounds super interesting. I've never heard of that. Or like, I'm gonna take a I'm gonna look for that one.

Because that's not even this was something I played in like when I was fucking around in maths class in high school. So it's called dust and it's just a little HTML site. Oh, it's

online. All right. I thought it was

like a fucking box like, no, no, I'll try to find it. It's a technical thing. It's like, I'm gonna spray a bunch of acid here. I'm gonna spray some arsenic in here. I got some lead here.

This is a fucking crazy game. I'm gonna not try to bring this thing into an airport with me. Well, look, I want to be respectful of time and everything else. Like, this has really been a pleasure. I'm glad we got a chance to, you know, speak in person as close as possible for it. You know, and I definitely I would love to get over to Australia. I had some plans. I'm trying to do so before Coleman. And it's just like everything else. The planning and the logistics are super

good. You can crush a lot of seminars here.

I'm telling you. Yeah, I would love to. So I hope maybe within the next year and a half, two years, something like that to make that happen. But it would be really cool to just be able to meet in person, hang out, train that the whole thing. Because, you know, that's me. Like, I feel like when people actually meet me, they're like, Oh, you're just a fucking bro. Like, you know, you just want to like actually train. Like, yeah, man, the people

I made, like, because you're somewhat off the base. So critical of that people getting so wound up into details. I'm like, no, no, no, because that's exactly what drew me to you. I was like, as soon as I saw you, I'm like, this guy can handle the details, but when it comes time to train, so I was fucking send it. Yeah, yeah, and like people just get it.

Right. You know, and it's like, that's what I got into before. I like to compete and play sports and fucking get after it and sweat and like, and hang out with other people that like to do the same thing. Like, I came up in in sports like that, like football, baseball, jiu-jitsu, like, Muay Thai and and also like, I just think that it's cool to compete and stuff because all of your ideas that you fucking hang on to so tightly, like, you're going to go against this other dude that does something completely the opposite and they might bust you up. And it's like, now what? You know what I mean? Like, you have to come face to face with the fact that like, a lot of fucking things can work.