Speaker 2
There's a long relationship between Iran and Hamas. In fact, Hamas wouldn't be Hamas without the support that has gotten over many years from Iran. We haven't yet seen direct evidence that Iran was behind this particular attack or involved, but the support over many years is clear.
Speaker 4
John, you know, as Norman Ruhl, senior adviser for the Transnational Threats Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Norman spent 34 years in the Central Intelligence Agency. Norman, wonderful to catch up with you under tragic circumstances, obviously. Norman, we have to start with the main question that was on the lips of everybody. What happened and how did this happen over the weekend?
Speaker 2
Good morning. Israeli security forces, primarily the Shin Bet had had responsibility for Gaza and the occupied territories. And they have over the years demonstrated a very capable architecture of surveilling Palestinian activity. And this has allowed them to frustrate multiple Palestinian attacks and identify, locate, and when necessary neutralize Hamas and other Palestinian officials. In this case, it appears that Hamas was able to develop a compartmented planning, execution, and training program within that security bubble that not only evaded Israeli surveillance, but enabled this operation to be undertaken without Israel seeing indicators that this existed to be clear. This is an intelligence failure by Israel. However, they have a very capable intelligence service and are catching up. And also to be clear, this is a failure by the international community as well. American other countries do not see the protection of their nationals to Israeli security services. And we also did not see the indicators of these of
Speaker 6
the government.