In most cases, when these things happen, the assumption is you could have done otherwise. And that punishment has to be sold such that john feels massive guilt and shame. There's a reason that that we have those moral emotions, because you got to sell it. But i'll just add, depends on how many things you want to hold us a still in terms of theahod hold fixed. If we hold the inter psychological states fixed, then it becomes a different discussion. So i just wanted to be clear. I don't even want to get into that.