Speaker 2
I've just seen just insane changes that lead to championship. I mean, at SU, I mean, we were on five national championships, running across softball and soccer. And I can't just like, it's
Speaker 1
miles. But it's hard to like unlock the key to the kingdom by getting that buy in. Yeah. And I think, you know, the, you can have it every expert come in and if they just tell them, you know, don't drink, don't do these things, it's bad for you. They're not going to care. They've been saying that for 20 years. Exactly. But if you can relate to them and find something that really like intrigues them and relates to what they're trying to do and it's going to get them to the next level, all of a sudden they went from not even thinking about, you know, drinking or smoking on the weekend to, you know, trying to stay within that hour of the normal time. Exactly. Yeah. And it's just been amazing. You know, the messages I get when people make those changes and often you see them excel in the field. Yeah. And it's really cool.
Speaker 2
Yeah. Talk a little bit about Sana and Coldplange, like how do you think about those modalities in the context of training? How do you stack them? What is the timing? Yes. You know, circadian implications to both.
Speaker 1
Definitely. I, it's funny because I think right now, like the, obviously the Coldplange is very trendy. It's so trendy. Trendy and you're not allowed to do it without a video. Those are the two rules. But, but I think that like, so, you know, the studies have come out about, you know, the antibiotic response from the Coldplange after training and after lifting. And I just, people really run with that. Yeah. And then it's like,
Speaker 4
I'm like, okay, first off, like, this
Speaker 1
is pure hypertrophy and the chances that you're like maxing out the intensity for that workout to the point where that's even going to impact it or probably whoa. Yeah. And then also I'm thinking like, okay, that's pretty, it's going to have pretty minimal impact on your, you know, hypertrophy. And then also, if it's, if it's the choice of doing cold therapy or not, it's probably worth doing regardless of if that's the only time you get it in. So people are
Speaker 4
really like to split hairs or
Speaker 1
I'll get people with a message me and they're like, do you two, two minutes and 30 seconds in the cold or three minutes? I'm like, you had 12 beers on Saturday. Like this is irrelevant. Just like get in there. Like just be cold for a while. Like that, that's the least of your problems, you know. And, but in regards to training, I think that, you know, we do like to use the cold as more of like a prep, like a pre workout type. Spike in the morning. Yeah. Usually in the morning or pre practice if people are up for it.
Speaker 2
We've been experimenting that with that as well with some of the, like some of the guys in the NHL last season, like just like a 30 second, like quick, like, you know, just to get the indoor friends going, the dopamine hit. And yeah, it seems like it's the guys like loved it.
Speaker 1
Yeah, I think it works super well. And if you look at it, 30 seconds. Yeah. And look at what's going on, like in the brain, I mean, it makes total sense to do it then. And then we also use it, you know, in swimming, there's prelims finals and it, you know, two swims in a day. So it's super useful between sessions to keep inflammation low. And then also, it allows us to kind of mimic caffeine in the sense of like the dopamine before their night swim, but not impact their sleep that night, which is a huge issue. A lot of guys, you know, will come in and, you know, take a pre workout energy drink prior to their night swim, but they have a big swim the next day. Yeah. And that's going to cascade day after
Speaker 1
we can use the cold therapy as a way to give them an energy boost proxy for like just like, exactly, super useful. But I think like I said, though, if you're not prepped and you're not sleeping well, you know, you're just going to be, you know, putting a bandaid on a bullet wound. And it's not going to end. Well, it's on us. I think song is more of a consistency thing we like to use. And we do, I tend to recommend people to actually we don't do as much contrast as most people do. Reason being is a lot of the data, I think they are, they are separated. There's actually not the very minimal data on contrast. Yes. Therapy. And what I like about separating them is the timing. You know, you can, you can be very specific with what outcome you're trying to get. And then two, you're following the data, you know what you're going to get. And I think the reason a lot of people do contrast training is it makes it just easier. Yeah. If you go in the sauna or the hot tub before you go in the cold, I think that you're probably not getting the full impact of either modality, because you're getting a little bit hot, but then you're so hot, you don't have the shock exactly. You're not you're not so I think that there's probably some more long-term longevity outcome benefits. But from an athlete's perspective, we tend not to do as much contrast and separate them just so we're getting like the pure isolated form. And we know like, you know, the adaptations that are happening as opposed to kind of ending up in that middle ground of, you know, your your core body temperature just kind of, you know, staying relatively even.
Speaker 2
I live in the north. So, you know, I'm in like the Boston area and the lake gets very, very cold.
Speaker 4
Yeah. You know, so we're in there. 37. What's that?
Speaker 2
Jump in. Oh, yeah. I know I definitely do, but it's funny because I, you know, get my hot my car like all nice and hot before and then I'm like, all right, I'm kind of cheating right now. Yeah. You know, like I'm muting the response, I think a little bit like it's not as painful. So I'm like, all right, just get in my car cold, keep it cold. Yeah. So I kind of play those mind games with myself. But
Speaker 1
last weekend we went down to my good friend Jesse, it's Lures House, and he just built a new cold plunge. And this thing he was basically like, give me the I want the best of the best. It's in ground. It's like 10 by 10. Wow. These the chillers on this thing. It's in like a little, you know, bathhouse type thing. I mean, they look like air conditioners like like there's like three. And so the water coming out, I bet is 35 and the jets are as strong as they hot tub. And I have never experienced I've been in I literally took it. But then
Speaker 2
folks don't know when the water is moving. That is a whole different experience.
Speaker 1
And this is really fast. I mean, I literally, it was 10 degrees outside in Michigan. I took a chainsaw, cut a square in the lake and went in there for three minutes, not close to this cold plunge. It was the most gnarly thing ever. It was crazy. And it's not like, you know, if you go in the, you know, some of the plunges, it's a little bit of circulation. This is like, blow your face off circulation. And it would, by the end of three minutes, we were absolutely like shivering to the max.
Speaker 2
I've never experienced the jets before.
Speaker 1
I don't, it might be a one of one. I don't know if anything is just powerful in like the world, to be honest with you.