i think one thing for us it's really helpful is to understand going in, but ya, the reason i believe this is ecause the people who i trust, who are like me, believe this. I honestly think that's the real reason we believe it. The less you push to make the conversation get the outcomes you want, the greater the chances of its actually getting the comes you want. And if you can do it in a way that's collaborative and walts a lot of listening and and to whatever you can involves actual genuine respect.

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