Yeah, I think so. I think it is a way of controlling your emotions, but also feeling like you're involved. I sort of think it sometimes mirrors... You can mirror the sort of rhythm of the match. So, if there's like a particularly sort of non-descript passage of play that's like come to an end, and like maybe you've been going forward and the ball just goes through to the keep or goes out for a goal kick or something. Oh, okay. You sort of... You're kind of following the play with it as you walk. And then you sort of... When it stops, you sort of bow your head and kind of go back as if you were dropping off. You kind of resetting. You

kind of resetting yourself. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. We need to try this in the next live show. And we'll see how vivid we can make it. Right. Let's stay in the world of Sunday League next. Here is Dave

Mitchell. My footballing fascination is the spring and autumn stud or mouldy conversation. I love it every Saturday. Around that time you go, you'll stand on the pitch, you'll put it with you, with your trainers. You might jockey your weight from one side to the other, and then you and a teammate will have a... Have a chat of, think that will take a stud today. Teammate might say, no, mouldy, mouldy's all day. Neither of you are going to change your mind. You'd already decided before the game which boots you're wearing. But you go through it because it's part of the dance, part of the ritual.

And I absolutely love it. Right. Charlie, a journey here, quite literally, to the soul of football. First thing that concerns me about this one, before we get really stuck into it, is mouldies. I've never called them mouldies. No. I would say mouldies, which I

don't think is the most elegant mouldies. Is it mouldies?

Moulds. So there's three ways of doing it. I would say mouldies. Charlie go with it, moulds. Dave, what are you going for? I'm a moulds man.

Wow. Yeah.

Wow. That's odd. But then I never really confronted it in my own head. Studs or moulds, it sort of,

yeah. Goes well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Salabically, I'm all for it. But, I mean, this is a huge tradition. But the one thing I really liked about this, Charlie, was the here, just the doing, the dance aspect. From Dave Mitchell here, it's just a part of the ritual, is it? Do you

know as well what you might sometimes, especially if it's been a dry summer, someone who says, I'm like, you could almost wear astros on this. They generally wouldn't actually wear them, but it's just said as a thing to kind of emphasize how much this is a day for moulds and how dry the pitch is. It is, by extension,

was like talking about the weather, Dave. It is, is that kind of that sort of lazy thrown out observation. But on that point, Dave, I draw the line at wearing astraturf trainers on grass for an 11-assar game. I am not a Europa League referee. It's a disgusting look, and it doesn't feel right. The connection with the ball will be bad. Do not do it if you can avoid it.

You do see them. At some day, league occasionally you'll see a player running around in a pair of astraturfs for whatever reason on grass, even if it is like a bit wet or whatever, which is absolutely baffling to me. The attention to detail from Dave Mitchell there in his submission. It is absolutely always expressed as this might take a stud. Take

a stud. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That's a big stud. On my one and only appearance for Ribblesdale Rovis this season, wearing my 1998 Predators on the, on the bonus hard pitch ever conceived. Turned out to be a huge mistake. Charlie, we talked about wearing astraturf trainers on grass for 11-assar. What about the inverse situation then? People who wear boots at five-as-side. Now, I remember a period of playing office five-as-side, which is a, you know, generally a less savvy form of football. In many ways, some people might turn out to be jeez. Hoodies being worn. Yeah, exactly. A very laissez-faire approach to match preparation. And a few people would get very kind of, I don't know, video nasties about people who wore boots to five-as-side. But like, a few people

are wearing blades. Can we just, can we not wear them? Because it's a little bit dangerous. No,

no, it's football, it's proper. If you don't like it, wear shin

pads. All I would say, I did get a, and this ties into another Sunday, a quick feature we've talked about before of the trend of sending round pictures of your kind of war wounds. Now, I didn't send it around to a whole what-time group. I didn't send it around to one friend last week when I got a stud to the knee playing five-as-side. I mean, it was on the knee. It was one of those and it wasn't given us a foul. And then to then vindicate me after, and be like, that's how high he went. When that happens, you're a bit like, oh, it's a bit annoying you've worn a studded boot, because you've now really put a gash on my knee. Yeah. Molds, I mean, yeah, obviously, I personally tend to wear astros for five-as-side, but molds probably have worn. I would say as well, just on the astros, the NEMNOSIDE. I think I did wear astros once for an NEMNOSIDE game, because it was such a dry pitch. It had been a hot, hot summer. The only advantage, I would say, it suddenly took the pressure off a little bit. It kind of made you feel a little bit like you were playing five-as-side, which, yes, there are downsides to that. But it also made it feel like, oh, okay, this is fine. Yeah, I'm just playing a more casual game rather than it feeling like the weight. You know, when you put your proper boots on, you're like, okay, this is a proper game here. So you can kind of kid yourself like, oh, yeah, I might just score a goal. I then forget about

five minutes later as I would at five-as-side. I'm going to get a net eight in a 12-11 victory. Dave, I'm going to keep banging away at this door. It's such a referee thing to do. You can spot it straight away with their socks pulled up, no shin pads, and this little flat feet just flapping around on the pitch. Such a bad look. I don't think you can make it look good.

I'd never really considered that it was a referee thing, before, to be honest. But yeah, you are right. And the referees, obviously, they wear shin pads, do that. It's another thing I've never considered. I don't know, I've never considered- Yeah.

Absolutely

not. With the professional socks. Do you imagine if they had like low socks? Yeah,

low sock referee just letting everything go. Let it go referee. No, I just, there's no alternative to pulled up socks. I mean, they can't wear trousers. That would be worse. That would be, that would be like boxing referees then. That would be

absolutely,

can't, can't contemplate it. Right. Fascination number three from our listeners comes from Tommy C.

My niche football thing that I absolutely love is three kicks, kind of 30 to 40 yards down. Out wide, kind of wider than the penalty box. In swing has taken, everyone misses it, goes into the back post. And the player runs off celebrating. I think my highlight of it is the keeper's bemusement that it's gone in. But yeah,

just absolutely joy when that happens. Dave, this is, this is just mental, I'm afraid. I don't understand how anyone can find any satisfaction in this type of goal. No, it's really

disappointing sort of goal, I think. Even if your team scores it, it's obviously great. But it's, it sort of feels, it does feel like you've sort of not

deserved it, really. There's a corridor of uncertainty aspects to this. I mean, in some ways you've exploited a paranoia in the opposition defence, but that's the extent of it. It's not

as flooky as just a normal cross going in. No,

definitely. No, no, well, I mean, I, I schooled two of these goals in my career. And let me re- And do you know, do you know what's weird? It came, do you remember there was this weird run where it happened quite a bit?

No, I don't. I don't. It was genuinely a thing. You're all this things, an HHD extra. Yeah. Zola scored one for Chelsea, and it was at Stanford

Bridge, so I'm not helping anyone out here, against Arsenal. And it was exactly that. And there was a cup, and I remember it being a thing of like, yeah, you know, you put it in the right area, you get runners across the goalkeeper, it's a nightmare for the goalkeeper. Oh, no question. It's, it's

at least 50% by design, Charlie. I, I'm, it's not a complete fluke. But I'm trying to establish, I kind of threshold here for how much I don't know. And let me put it like this. If I was on a flight or something, and I got off and I checked the results, and I found that my team had won one nil with a free kick that had bounced through and into the far corner, I reckon there's a 10% chance I wouldn't seek out the highlights and watch it. That's, that's how much I dislike them. Is this finally, you know, we talked about the four of, and they've scored,

it's a scrappy goal, but they won't care. Is this the exception to that rule? This is the one goal. You actually would care. I'm a bit annoyed with scored

at this. Well, and they do mind a little. If I'm

exaggerating, maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, Dave,

but I would certainly put it below an opposition own goal in terms of goals. I'm desperately seeking out to watch because there's a satisfaction in an own goal. And not only that, it's probably been created by some good approach play. This, there's nothing to it. Tommy C is deluded. There's a bit of intrigue with an own goal.