I think this question of the catchphrase is the perfect is the enemy of the good. And so those people who have a utopian goal, I will call it a perfect goal that is no public schools. Those people never count as any movement within the public school system. Any policy that maintains it and they would argue perhaps correctly that by considering those other goals, we will never get to a good outcome. That's your claim about why we don't get nice things. It may be that my side has constantly exceeded the moral high ground.

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