Speaker 2
You can't use either of those other two to advertise yourself, though.
Speaker 1
Ahright. Cse tt, so in some sense, youre claiming more ability, perhaps, with the others. And curiosity, in some sense, you're not claiming yer great ability, althoughi's perhaps implied. So i agree that we just have these things at everybody is supposed to say as good and that, right, there is a reason to be suspicious about them, that maybe they can't be quite as good as they claim, and maybe we're covering over many negative aspects of them. Ah, so i we have many sort of low motives for curiosity, in addition to high motives for curiosity. But curiosityis something we all are going to give e default to the high motive for, evenbut why? I mean, why
Speaker 2
are we so charitable in our interpretation? We wouldn't say the same about ambition, right? You give ambition olson you can advertise about yourself so, so clearly. But curiosity, i mean, one of the main distinguishing features of modern culture is our celebration of innovation abecause
Speaker 1
innovation is such a distinguishing feature of the modern error, compared to previous errors. Previous errors had innovation, but at a low enough rate that people didn't so much notice it in their individual lives. We notice the world is changing a lot to day. We celebrate innovation as a cause of that. And we celebrate things that we see as connected innovation, such as creativity and curiosity. I
Speaker 2
don't think i could use innovative the same way in my twitterbyo. I could call myself curious. People would like me if i said, i'm a big innovator. I'm so innovative. I would not go over as well.
Speaker 1
And that's interesting, because, in fact, we've celebrated sort of things related t innovation, but not so much innovation directly itself. Ah, but if you ask, if you look at the stories we tell about why curiosity and creativity are good, they are because it's innovator. But in some sense, innovative is less of ofa of a feature of yourself to celebrate. So we we no, innovations can a random you try lots of things, and sometimes they're successful. And so someone who actually innovates is some sus less impressive than somebody who has the features that we tend to think, on average, produce more innovation. So if we think creativity produces innovation, or curiosity produces innovation, but innovation itself is pretty random, then we might end up celebrating the intelligence, for example, we think intelligence duces innovation as welld te think those are impressive features of people. People are more impressive and admirable when they are more intelligent, more creative, more curious. And part of our era celebrating those things is because we give them credit for innovation.