Theory of operant conditioning says that timing matters a lot. One thing I've noticed about punishment is that, like let's say a dog gets punished at a piece on the floor, it seems like in my experience, what the dog will learn is to avoid the punishment. Clicker training is good at creating behaviors. And then you can even put them on cue. So you can teach the dog to roll over. But I think it is a different shape of problem if there's something that the dog is doing that you want the dog to stop doing.

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