I'm intrigued by that someone agnostic about it and again we'll talk about maybe another time but certainly all of us have a feeling of daydreaming mindlessly our minds flitting from topic to topic. I think one of the challenges for people who are who are who come to meditation especially from a Buddhist perspective is that telling people they don't that there is no self sounds like bad news. There was a tourist bus in some Scandinavian country that that pulled into a rest stop and there about 30 people on it and everyone gets off to enjoy the countryside and get some lunch and apparently there was one tourist this who was described as an Asian woman.