Karlin: I just don't see it ever being adopted. It's still a huge long shot no totally and i think it's kind of funny like well you know so the irussia was like a really bad system of government but there were some daycares that had good programs they did. Liron says he would say give value to one user so that you have a specific example of what your value prop is. He also suggests people check out liron on twitter or bloated mvp.com all right thanks again right on.