How to Make Money in Tabletop Gaming

I think I had an instinct early on from within a few months of release that this strategy of having an RPG, having RPG supplements was something. That if we really wanted to make good money in this industry and really create a business here as opposed to hobby, we needed to come up with something else. And so I did start looking pretty proactively at other possibilities in the world of tabletop gaming and that led me to Richard Garfield and led to magic and so on. So maybe I just unpacking that too.