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Plus her definition of the oft-dismissed yet game-changing notion of self-love.

We caught up with Abby Wambach at a really interesting time. She's experiencing grief, for reasons we'll let her explain. And for the first time in her life, she's grieving while sober—which, in itself, is an interesting story, which she will also tell.

As you know, we only talk to famous people on this show if they're willing to really go deep. And it's why we call this recurring series Boldface. And Abby is bolder than most.

We also talk about: moving from external to internal validation, her definition of self-love (a concept in which Dan have a lot of interest, because it's both cheesy and life-changing), the one question that changed her life, how every experience can turn into something positive, and on a related note, why getting arrested for drunk driving was one of the best things that ever happened to her.

Abby Wambach is a two-time Olympic gold medalist, FIFA World Cup Champion, and six-time winner of the U.S. Soccer Athlete of the Year award. She is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wolfpack. And, together with her wife Glennon Doyle and sister Amanda Doyle, co-hosts the award-winning, critically acclaimed We Can Do Hard Things podcast.

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