The 12-Inch Drop: From Head Knowledge to Heart Experience

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In this episode of the Mark Divine Show, Mark Divine interviews Curtis Morley, Wall Street Journal bestselling author, entrepreneur, and self-described emotion artist. They discuss the significance of understanding authentic emotions vs. counterfeit emotions and how these distinctions impact leadership, personal growth, and recovery. Curtis shares his insights into emotional intelligence, emotional development, and his personal journey from tech entrepreneur to helping leaders build high-integrity lives. They emphasize emotional authenticity, curiosity, and the importance of addressing root-level emotional patterns to achieve transformative growth. Curtis also previews his upcoming book, 'Counterfeit Emotions,' which explores these themes in depth.

Here's what you'll learn:

-The True Meaning of Success

Success is redefined from external achievements—like trophies, awards, and recognition—to an internal sense of fulfillment. True success is about what’s happening inside, not what’s displayed on a shelf.

-Emotional Intelligence: The #1 Predictor of Success

Across all areas of life, emotional intelligence is the top indicator of future success. It’s not about skills or degrees, but about understanding your own feelings and knowing how to manage them.

-Failures as the Path to Growth

Growth comes from failures, not just successes. Learning to let go, forgive, and stop playing the victim is essential. Most successful people have experienced significant failures, which often become their greatest blessings.

-The Power of Vulnerability in Leadership

True courage in leadership means being open and vulnerable—admitting when you don’t have the answers or need help. This authenticity makes leaders stronger and more relatable.

-Kindness vs. Niceness: The Power of Boundaries

Niceness can be a defense mechanism to avoid conflict, while true kindness starts with setting boundaries and being kind to yourself. You can only be as kind to others as you are to yourself.

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Curtis Morely Links:

Website: https://www.counterfeitemotions.com/

Unhooked Book: https://a.co/d/2w4iFDa

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/authenticcurtis/

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Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction to Curtis Morley

00:17 Defining Success: Internal vs. External

00:31 Understanding Emotions: Guilt, Shame, Pain, and Misery

01:28 The Unbeatable Leader Challenge

02:31 Welcome to the Mark Divine Show

03:32 Curtis Morley's Entrepreneurial Journey

09:17 Emotional Development in Entrepreneurship

16:44 The Importance of Emotional Intelligence

24:08 Counterfeit Emotions: Misery vs. Pain, Guilt vs. Shame

36:36 Understanding Trauma and Its Impact

37:48 Nice vs. Kind: The Counterfeit Emotion

42:03 Transforming Conflict into Connection

44:00 The Pendulum of Emotions

45:45 Surrender vs. Resignation

48:27 Curiosity vs. Suspicion

56:08 Sobriety vs. Recovery

01:00:37 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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