The theory says that the exile pops up occasionally in different scenarios and then you're going to feel a lot of guilt because that's sort of what that exile is about. Then there's this other part, this manager part that's trying to basically protect that exile part. It almost begins to seem like being possessed by ghosts or something, right? So I mean, the main book that I've worked with doesn't distinguish super cleanly, but I would say the distinction there is the manager's trying to prevent the feeling from being triggered at all. And then the firefighter is a different type of protector that once it is sort of triggered too much, it tries to make it so they don't