Yeah, I agree 100%. So, I mean, someone listening to this who is already convinced, you know, that they possibly listen to this podcast because they want to slow down because they've started experimenting with it. Do you have any kind of practical advice or suggestions on how to bring more of that into their day to day life? I mean, I know I love the idea of rituals, you know, and if you could turn, perhaps, as you said, that sort of body scan technique into a ritual, that's something that you could tap into. Do you have any other suggestions for people who are really wanting to delve into this art of noticing more? I

think the single easiest thing for anybody to do is to be curious, pick something, anything, and be curious about it. Again, it can be as simple as picking a colour for the day and going to look for it as you go about your day. It can be picking a topic, whether it's something that's relevant to your daily life or just something that you heard and thought, Oh, I thought that's about going to find out about it and looking for signs connected to that thing around you, not for some particular end goal, like I'm going to get a certificate because now I know about this thing, but just looking around you for things that are connected to it and the noticing of those things becomes almost like the call to pause as you go about. So, for example, just out of nowhere, if I thought about growing potatoes, oh, I'm quite curious about growing potatoes. Who does that? Where do they end up? What can I go and visit a farm and see how that happens? What is a potato before? It's a potato. What happens to the seed potato and all the other potatoes are growing from it, like how do the colours change? There's so many details. I mean, it's just a very random topic, but there is so many details you can dig into. And as you're walking down the high street, you might see a potato cafe has just opened and all that's interesting. I'm going to go in because that's a sign calling me towards the thing I'm curious about. Maybe I'll end up having a very interesting conversation with the person who's just opened the potato cafe. You just don't know. And I think letting go of having to do things for a particular reason and just following your curiosity is brilliant if you're a creative person, trying to be more creative. But just in general life, I think we can get so fixated on the path that we're on and trying to do things because they're going to help us get a promotion or whatever it is that we narrow our perspective so much and actually spending some time and giving attention to things that are outside what we normally think about can lead us in all sorts of wonderful

places. Absolutely. It's letting go of the idea of goals and goal oriented living in a certain way, isn't it? I think goals and success and climbing the ladder and the progression that we should be striving for drives so many of our decisions. But I love that piece of advice to just get curious, get specifically curious about something completely odd and see where it leads you. Yeah. So the thing is

we're not in control of the timeline. I don't know who is in control of the timeline. But goals are fine. They're handy as markers towards something that keeping you on track to maybe learn something that you're interested in or I want to write a book, I need to learn how to write a book proposal. That's a thing. That's a goal. I've learned it. Now I'm closer to the thing I really want to do, which is explore something interesting in the world, write about it and help other people. So goals like that are fine. But I think when you were talking about major life goals, must get married by the timeline 34, must have a three bedroom house in this particular part of the city. But I mean, what, like by this day, what, why? And also, there are so many things in life that are out of your control that I think aiming towards a kind of way of living is so much less stressful because there are so many ways that you can get towards a particular way of living. Even if the one that you thought was the way didn't work out, it doesn't suddenly become failure. I'm not going to bother with that then. It's like, oh, okay, there must be another way. What's that? And it completely changes the way you navigate, I think, with a lot

less stress.