Nick Clegg, former UK Deputy Prime Minister and President of Global Affairs at Meta, joins Wilfred Frost on The Master Investor Podcast to discuss politics, leadership, and the future of technology. In this wide-ranging conversation, Clegg explains why he believes Britain has 'fallen out of love with the future', the differences between US and UK attitudes to growth, why China might beat America in the AI race, and why he is skeptical about the AI hype in general.
Clegg expresses his discomfort at how close tech leaders have gotten to the Trump administration and tells Silicon Valley to “man up and grow some”. He believes free speech IS under threat in the UK, and that politics is much harder than business.
During the interview Wilf and Nick discussed the ongoing case in the US relating to the suicide of Adam Raine on 11 April 2025 having interacted with ChatGPT. Here is a statement provided to CNBC by an OpenAI spokesperson:
“We are deeply saddened by Mr. Raine’s passing, and our thoughts are with his family. ChatGPT includes safeguards such as directing people to crisis helplines and referring them to real-world resources. While these safeguards work best in common, short exchanges, we’ve learned over time that they can sometimes become less reliable in long interactions where parts of the model’s safety training may degrade. Safeguards are strongest when every element works as intended, and we will continually improve on them. Guided by experts and grounded in responsibility to the people who use our tools, we’re working to make ChatGPT more supportive in moments of crisis by making it easier to reach emergency services, helping people connect with trusted contacts, and strengthening protections for teens.”
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