What's Useful and Meaningful?

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Apple co-founder Steve Wozniacki is famous for fusing liberal arts and engineering thinking. Dand other people at apple who've had the valued liberal arts and Engineering background talk about how to meld traditions. "It's a human art of fact, right? And so that's where liberal arts comes in," he says.

In this wide-ranging conversation from April 2019, a16z’s Frank Chen sits down with Ken Kocienda, a longtime software engineer and designer at Apple from 2001 to 2017, who wrote a book about his career there, called Creative Selection.

They discuss Ken’s unconventional path from freelance photographer to software engineer at Apple, his work on many core products from Safari web browser to iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch and features like Autocorrect, what it was like to demo new products for Steve Jobs, and more.