Oh, my God, it doesn't resemble it. A few channels and cable was just starting. Right. And so was it a slow build until you became a super, super recognizable person? I think so. So I think that's actually a kinder way than to have massive overnight fame and recognition. Yeah.

And I had my kids during that time. And so... Were you already married when you moved to LA? No, I got married when we moved here. And then I got pregnant twice during Seinfeld and had the kids then. So I had sort of a split focus, needless to say. So I was doing the show very happily, loved it. It was a dream in so many ways. But I also had a bigger fish to fry at the same time called Two Boys. And how old are they now? 22 and 27. So they're all grown up. Yeah. Although they're still my babies. I think of them as my little baby men. Did you love being a mother when

they were little? Loved. It was hard. It's hard. Yeah. It's hard. Was it the balancing part? The balancing part, getting them

to sleep. My oldest was not a good sleeper, and that was tricky when you've got early calls in the morning and stuff like that. That was really pretty brutal, actually. I think also, actually, I suffered from some postpartum after both pregnancies. And that was, well, I don't think I did. But nobody was calling it that then. So I just thought, oh, shit, I'm losing my mind. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I've lost my mind. I think it's

only in the past, I don't know, maybe decade that it's something people really talk about. Yeah. Did you have any of that? I did. I had it with my son. Not with my daughter at all, but with my son. I had it quite badly and I didn't realize it. I didn't, I just thought I couldn't get my shit together. And I was so all over the place emotionally and really disconnected from myself. It was terrible, lonely, awful, awful. Could you

talk about it to anybody?

I couldn't even, I didn't even understand what was happening. Like I didn't, I just thought I must be tired and I just need to power through. And I had no, at the time I didn't have the facility for real introspection. And I think that going through that experience really brought me to a place in my life where I was like, okay, once I got out of it, I was like, I need to figure out what was underneath all that. Cause that was really intense. And, and, and the only reason that I, you know, it was really a lifesaver. One day, my ex-husband, my husband at the time, he said, you know, I think you might have postpartum depression. And I was like, what? I was stunned. I thought it was just coming out of nowhere. But then I just felt myself break open with so much relief. And just to have someone observe and name it. And then I was like, shit, I think you're right. I better go get help and start to deal with this and talk to somebody. And so I started doing yoga and I started doing acupuncture and I started seeing a therapist and then it started to pass. What was yours like?

Well, the first time I just powered through. I just remember it was terrifying. I mean, it really was scary because there was this feeling like I should not have had children. And that is terrifying after you've given birth. It's not a good feeling. Because, you know, look, you spend your whole life taking care of yourself, being responsible for yourself. And as soon as you give birth, yourself is second priority. And that is appropriate. But also, by the way, the other thing that people, I'm sure they do talk about this, I mean, I don't know. I'm not an expert. But your hormones crash after you give birth. Like crash. I've been told it's like going through an immediate menopause. And so I think that does a number on your head, you know? For sure. But with my first son, I weathered it. I just got through it. Just, you

know, nose to the grindstone. How was it manifesting? Were you super emotional? I was weeping all the time.

I think you said you were separated from yourself. I didn't feel like myself. I don't know how else to say it. Yeah,

yeah.

It's like you've been taken over by somebody else. Something else. Like my brain wasn't my own. It was a very uncomfortable feeling. And I remember thinking that my husband was looking at me differently because I was different. I mean, it was really scary. Anyway, and then, and I just sort of got through. And I think it was gone in about a month. But then with my second son, I panicked. It happened again. I didn't realize it. But all of a sudden, I had this feeling like we'd given him the wrong name, and I needed to change his name. We had named him Charlie, and I got it in my crazy brain that we needed to name him Ernest. And I was bawling, and I just didn't know what was happening. And we'd already fucked up this child with this name of Charlie, which is probably the most affable, wonderful name in the world. And I remember I was actually talking to my sister-in and she said, hey, Julia, I think this is postpartum. I think you should go to the doctor. And I said, oh, yeah, I think I'm going to do that. And I did. Actually, I went to my gynecologist at the time, and he gave me a shot of progesterone or estrogen or something like that.

And I was better in 24 hours. Wow. Yes. That is unbelievable. Yes. I wish someone had done that to me. I know. I sort of wish that too, because you said

yoga and stuff. I'm like, oh, it's going to take forever. And it took months. Exactly.