Sally Kohn: I see you making kind of two big critiques as I understand them. The first is that people are often looking for like that one thing they can do that's going to change their life, if they just eat the right micronutrient or something like that. The second is about sort of the importance of spending time where you're not trying to optimize or you're just kind of getting downtime, relaxing, restoring that kind of thing. So how do you think about what you should be trying to optimize versus not?Kohn: Not everything and not every aspect of your life really needs optimization and will be beneficial to try and optimize that. And so being really careful

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