Chris is a great interviewer. He's got a great audience that we should be totally dialed into to founders. And what I like about him, he's one of the hardest working podcasters because we can talk about this conversation. That would be a slam dunk audience and podcast for you. Chris doesn't have, he has a first rate work ethic. So anyways, him being from England, he's like, Hey, I got this date. Can you do it on this day? It was Thanksgiving day.

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