By the time I was nine, I was like a kleptomaniac and it wasn't because I wanted all these things that I stole. So something in my life, I think it caused me to sort of deaden. And for whatever reason, alcohol and drugs brought it alive. The tragic cycle of addiction is after a certain amount of time, as we said, that alcohol or drugs crowds out all your other values. As you feel bad about that, the only way you know to cope with that feeling bad is to drink or get high, which then causes you to crowd out. And that's the downward spiral.

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