We were stoked for this conversation, and we didn't quite know where it was going to lead. And i think we've gone to a superinteresting place here, but it's a little bit differentt the thet affected us to go to. So much of this has to do with an expectance of short term pain for long term gain. Relaxing attachment sucks most of the time. It is not a pleasant experience in the moment. But unless you are extremely practised person, the moment of releasing the pleasurable experience just comes with a certain degree of discomfort. Even the most agonizing pains are not hated, not gone to war with.

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