Sally Kohn: Can we realize how experience in nature is always a two-way process, you say? There's a simultaneous dance of knowing and being known. It sounds like a lovely way to maybe create your own short retreat that you could do even 24 hours of just using your guided meditations in nature. I mean, there you are. One of the concepts that both Eric and I really connected with and have loved is this idea of, you know, nature teaching us what it means knowing and being knew.

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